we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need restraint of a debt ceiling to prevent the spending from even going further? >> no. and it doesn't restrain spending at all. congress makes the decisions as to what to spend, what the level of taxation should be, what the level of spending should be. the debt ceiling is just there and, says you can not pay the bills that you voted to incur a year ago and two years ago and three years ago. and that is just wrong. now it used to be harmless in that the debt ceiling would be raised with a little demagoguing here and there but no one ever seriously suggested not raising it. it w